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Ilford Obscura Pure Pinhole Camera
« on: March 13, 2013, 03:46:25 AM »
Hey folks, while reading Pop Photo's website I came across this brief mention of a new pinhole camera being released by Ilford, which I found mentioned on their website, here:

http://www.ilfordphoto.com/whatsnew/obscura/main.asp

It appears to me to be a one-shot camera that's loaded in a changing bag or darkroom, has a magnetic shutter, the front panel can be rotated for left- or right- handed operation, and it holds the film or paper around the edge to form a border. 4x5 in format, two tripod bushings (bottom and side) and a price of £69 was mentioned in another article on ephotozine's website.

A release date of around Easter was also mentioned. Hopefully it will come to the US soon.

Sounds like a good time for commercially made pinhole cameras.

~Joe
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Re: Ilford Obscura Pure Pinhole Camera
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2013, 04:55:48 AM »
Looks pretty cool!

I like the design.  Good to see someone besides me using magnets!
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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2013, 05:10:35 AM »
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Re: Ilford Obscura Pure Pinhole Camera
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2013, 11:01:42 AM »
yeah, leon is test driving as we speak.

The version they had at Focus last week looked great


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Re: Ilford Obscura Pure Pinhole Camera
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2013, 01:29:39 PM »
Does anyone know what the camera is made of?  Is it similar to the titans?

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Re: Ilford Obscura Pure Pinhole Camera
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2013, 01:50:42 PM »
no Christine - it's some kind of composite material - like a really sturdy and brittle foamcore.  It is laminated with a shiny plastic. 

The titans are injection moulded plastic, whereas these are cut out from sheets using modern equivalents of jigsaws.


There are plans for colour options too. watch this space.
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2013, 03:11:32 PM »
yeah, leon is test driving as we speak.

The version they had at Focus last week looked great

I wish they'd let me test drive one....it looks very cool!

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Re: Ilford Obscura Pure Pinhole Camera
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2013, 04:02:19 PM »
Thanks Leon.  It looks really cool!  I've never tried pinhole photography before so this might be a nice "gateway" camera.

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RE: Ilford Obscura Pure Pinhole Camera
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2013, 06:32:32 AM »
I cant wait to try one out.  Im always a bit put off by sheet film as im not yet comfortable with dark slides...too much to go wrong for an imbecile like me....this on the other hand, just got to get the film in the right way round. Hoping i can manage that. 
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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2013, 07:53:03 AM »
I cant wait to try one out.  Im always a bit put off by sheet film as im not yet comfortable with dark slides...too much to go wrong for an imbecile like me....this on the other hand, just got to get the film in the right way round. Hoping i can manage that. 
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You could always try paper first Damion. Cheaper than film too.
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Re: Ilford Obscura Pure Pinhole Camera
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 02:34:00 PM »
What speed is paper rated at?  always presumed you would have to preflash it or something totally above my head....

is there an easy to understand link about how I would go about this?




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Re: Ilford Obscura Pure Pinhole Camera
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2013, 03:27:52 PM »
What speed is paper rated at?  always presumed you would have to preflash it or something totally above my head....

is there an easy to understand link about how I would go about this?






I rate my paper at 3...Becky and I have talked about this but not sure where she rates her paper....
Can't wait til that camera hits the U.S.!

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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2013, 05:57:41 PM »
I cant wait to try one out.  Im always a bit put off by sheet film as im not yet comfortable with dark slides...too much to go wrong for an imbecile like me....this on the other hand, just got to get the film in the right way round. Hoping i can manage that. 
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Using a paper negative is one of the easiest and most rewarding ways to take a photo.  Ever!
It's cheaper than film, but the beauty of paper negatives is you can load them under a safelight so you can see what goes on.  You don';t have to worry about loading them wrong side out because you can see which side of the paper is the emulsion side.

I don't pre flash any of my paper because I'm lazy and just don't want to fiddle with it.  Besides, I've read that if you pre-flash, (others can yay or nay on this) you need to expose the sheet fairly soon afterwards, otherwise it just goes back to its previous state of not being excited.
Most of the time I load a paper negative, it is loaded for a while before I use it.  I'm not organized enough (nor want to be) to keep track of what's been flashed or not, so I just don't do it.  I mostly use Harman direct positive paper now and am happy not flashing it.
I'm also using home-brew caffenol exclusively as a developer now and love it.  It imparts a nice stain as well as develops the paper so it's a multipurpose effort using coffee.

I rate all of my paper at 3.  However, I mostly wing it when I make an exposure and "be" the emulsion.  I've done this long enough that I have a pretty good sense of how long is enough for the pinhole cameras I use in the light around here which is very bright most of the time.

Take the plunge Damion, others too.    :)
It's not scary, or treacherous and there's no mean slimy monsters at the end.  Just get some paper and shoot it.  Plus, the paper lends a little bit of its own texture to the final print, so it's a unique way of making a photo.   8)

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Re: Ilford Obscura Pure Pinhole Camera
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2013, 06:04:18 PM »
Nice info Becky...  :) it's been on my agenda for a long time, especially solargraphy...
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2013, 08:21:40 PM »
I once tried paper in a 4x5 holder with my Graflex. I rated the paper at 6 and in my case it was pretty good.
Different papers have different sensitivity. In my case, it was some 20 year old Ilford RC...
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2013, 11:26:49 PM »
Yep, I think paper negs are the way for me too long term with LF. Caffenol was the first developer I ever tried, but I haven't used it since those first couple of rolls of 35mm. I obviously need to get back into it, but with paper.

Leon ad I were pondering t'other day what the ISO rating might be for POP? We assumed it would be something ludicrously low like 0.06, but does anyone have any thoughts? I still have around 20-30 sheets of POP and the idea of using them as paper negs is tempting, but probably impractical.

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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2013, 08:24:50 AM »
While we're on the topic of paper negatives: I've read somewhere that paper is a bit bigger than the corresponding film so it wouldn't fit into a film holder. Is that true? I don't want to start cutting down paper ...

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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2013, 08:43:26 AM »
+Becky

I didn't know that pre-flashing was time limited. I assumed it was like any exposure, even if it is just an inertia killer?

+Ed - I've searched the interwebs and can't find anything about pop iso, but assuming it works like this, take the daylight exposure time, and multiply it by the stop light reduction? Hopefully that would give you an idea.I assume v-e-r-y long exposure times will be the order of the day.

+urban - Ilford used do DPP 5x4 in nominal size, which fits film holders, but it's not listed on their site now, neither is 8x10. Other wise, I believe paper trimming is the order of the day.

BTW - the price for the 8x10 titan kit (not including film holders) has been released - £300.
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2013, 08:52:40 AM »
Yeah, I noticed that's it's hard to get hold of DPP in 8x10 right now. Hm. So I will wait for the Harman Titan 8x10 and hope that it comes with some paper and/or film.

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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2013, 12:27:29 PM »
Ed & Damion, paper negs are a great, cheap way of shooting and I'm still learning my way to shoot with them. And I'm getting completely frustrated to boot which is all part of the fun!

As far as cutting down goes, yes, 5x4 paper is slightly too big for film holders though the Harman DPP stuff is cut to fit (at 5x4 at any rate, can't vouch for 10x8). As it means getting the trimmer out anyway, I have bought a couple of boxes of 10x8 paper that I cut down into 4's after preflashing them. The preflashing only adds a 20secs to the whole procedure for me.

After that it's all about tweaking your procedure. I've settled into using weak Ilford Universal (1:20) which so far gives me a half decent range of tones though I have also tried Caffenol too which probably gave me a better image. The only problem with caffenol is I end up having to mix a new batch each time whereas with the Ilford I tend to just throw in a few ml of concentrate each time I dev.

I do it because I'm only just returning to the analogue way of shooting and I can't afford to burn sheet film making mistakes but it also gives a great look and poses a real challenge. I do have to think about every single picture I take which is why I came back to analogue in the first place.

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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2013, 12:36:46 PM »
I always cut my 4x5 paper out of a sheet of 8x10. I know it's a drag but since I can work under safelight, I think it's not that bad.

As for the sensitivity of POP, exposing it through a kodak print scale (the plastic thing that looks like a sliced pizza) in camera would probably give you a good idea of the speed... but I don't think there would be enough daylight in 24 hours to get a decent image! The stuff was notoriously insensitive.
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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2013, 12:43:12 PM »
Thanks. And I've looked it up. Only the 4x5 DPP is cut so that it will fit into a film holder: http://www.ilfordphoto.com/products/productlist.asp?n=65&t=Photographic+Papers

But maybe Ilford will work on that with the new Titan.

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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2013, 01:01:36 PM »
Now that this is cleared up my next question: What's a good paper to start with? I mean besides DPP? I haven't used paper in 15 years and have no idea what to use (ideally for use in some variant (which?) of Caffenol).

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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2013, 01:27:36 PM »
+Urban

I'd stick with a standard Multigrade Resin Coated paper. Fibre Based/ baryta paper is nice for fine prints, but it's less likely to sit flat and is more expensive.

the beauty of Multigrade is that you can use multigrade filters to control contrast somewhat. using a grade 1 or 0 filter will help to get a natural tonality to the neg.

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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2013, 01:29:19 PM »
Some people will say to use whatever you can get your hands on!

I am using Kentmere RC VC paper but only because the 10x8 was on offer so I bought two boxes. Some people suggest to use graded paper as you do have issues with VC paper with regard to the colour of the light as the paper is differently sensitive to blue and green.

I can't give any more opinion than that!

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« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2013, 01:30:11 PM »
OK. So any RC paper will do. Thanks.

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« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2013, 07:03:23 PM »
Some people like to control excess contrast from using multigrade paper in daylight by using a yellow filter over their lens or pinhole.

While I haven't really experimented with yellow filters, my method for controlling excess contrast is to use grade 2 RC paper (I buy Freestyle's Arista brand), which I rate at EI=12, developed in 68f developer (I use dilute liquid concentrate somewhat aged), and also with the paper preflashed.

My method for preflashing is a 7.5 watt white frosted bulb in an enclosure with a 5mm aperture hole, suspended 30" above my darkroom work table. Typical preflash exposure times for Arista RC grade 2 are around 8 seconds.

I find using this paper rated at 12, without filtration (because it's already grade 2) to be faster than using something like Ilford MG with a yellow filter. This is especially important with pinhole, where reducing exposure times can help with sharpness (less time for the tripod to settle in soft earth, or the wind to vibrate the camera).

I've recently found myself using Harman DPP much more than paper negatives, so perhaps  this thread will inspire me to make some paper negatives this weekend.

~Joe

PS: I haven't done any longevity tests for preflashing, but have taken a preloaded 8x10 box camera out to Arches N.P. in Utah for a week-long vacation, and did not see any difference between those images and ones I've shot close to home that were preflashed on the same day. Perhaps some experiments are in order to see if there is a time degradation effect.
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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2013, 08:42:17 PM »
OK. So any RC paper will do. Thanks.
I actually think RC is even better for this than FB.
It processes fast, it's often relatively thin (potentially better for contact printing) and best of all, it's relatively cheap.
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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2013, 10:05:44 PM »
Is there an echo in here? ;)
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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2013, 01:25:29 PM »
That's what happens when there's too much muddy snow on the ground.
It's so boring an ugly that it takes all the fun out of photography!
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« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2013, 06:14:39 PM »
What happened to Elvis? (Wurlitzer one for the money ....)
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« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2013, 08:27:19 PM »
I had regrets...   :-[

But a good natural echo is still the best for imitating him :)
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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2013, 08:45:11 PM »
never regret an Elvis gag Francois.  The King never had any regrets (other than the one about the peanut butter and bacon sandwiches).
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« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2013, 10:04:16 PM »
In that case, Elvis fans watch out ;)

Thaank you vewry much, Thaank you... (my best imitation so far  ;D )
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