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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #150 on: December 04, 2012, 04:44:53 PM »
Wouldn't it be nice if the disposable camera came in classic camera shapes?

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #152 on: December 05, 2012, 07:37:17 AM »
Classic camera shape.

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #153 on: December 06, 2012, 12:48:32 PM »
be neat to see a disposable 120 camera.
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #154 on: December 06, 2012, 01:25:09 PM »
I don't think that's ever been done before.
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« Reply #155 on: December 06, 2012, 08:48:40 PM »
YES!  A disposable 120! 

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #156 on: December 07, 2012, 03:31:12 AM »
Or a "ONE SHOT" cardboard pinhole?   ::)
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #157 on: December 07, 2012, 04:07:14 AM »
The re-introduction of giant roll film!

Come in handy for spotting chavs in your neighborhood!  ;)

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« Reply #158 on: December 07, 2012, 04:15:16 AM »
disposable 120 and a pinhole . . . brilliant

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #159 on: December 07, 2012, 07:35:09 AM »
One thing I'd really like is if they brought back Instant 35mm.

Maybe they'll look at this thread and find some inspiration for their next products!
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« Reply #160 on: December 07, 2012, 11:00:56 AM »
A disposable instant in 120. Can't wait!
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #161 on: December 07, 2012, 02:37:44 PM »
disposable pinhole 120 would be fun!
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #162 on: December 07, 2012, 03:08:07 PM »
Yup, I'm really glad Leon let us in on this! I'm going to go post it on some other film communities.
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #163 on: December 07, 2012, 03:36:21 PM »
Yup, I'm really glad Leon let us in on this! I'm going to go post it on some other film communities.
You mean he let us in on something?

I thought we were only speculating the whole time!

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #164 on: December 08, 2012, 10:36:06 AM »
Or a "ONE SHOT" cardboard pinhole?   ::)


A One-Shot New55 pinhole could be wasteful-but-fun. :) I still think a TiTAN pinhole and a pile of Ilford-made New55 would make for a very fun weekend.

I'd settle for this, though:

http://www.thedieline.com/blog/2010/4/5/student-spotlight-ilford-120-film.html

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #165 on: December 10, 2012, 05:21:42 AM »
Now that is brilliant! Watch them not do that. :(

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #166 on: December 10, 2012, 07:00:04 AM »
Or a "ONE SHOT" cardboard pinhole?   ::)


A One-Shot New55 pinhole could be wasteful-but-fun. :) I still think a TiTAN pinhole and a pile of Ilford-made New55 would make for a very fun weekend.

I'd settle for this, though:

http://www.thedieline.com/blog/2010/4/5/student-spotlight-ilford-120-film.html


Man... I really really like this!  I love the darkslide working as shutter for the pinhole...
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #167 on: December 11, 2012, 02:28:09 PM »
I'm up for that giant film. You could make a crazy pin-hole with that! 12000mm perhaps?
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #168 on: December 11, 2012, 02:48:13 PM »
I guess the only exciting thing going on about Ilford is this thread! ;)

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #169 on: December 11, 2012, 04:18:32 PM »
Hey! I think I've just discovered what's going on with Ilford!

When you use all the letters in ilford, you can make the word florid :)

Florid
Adjective

    Having a red or flushed complexion: "a stout man with a florid face".
    Elaborately or excessively intricate or complicated: "florid operatic-style music was out".

Synonyms
ornate - ruddy - flowery
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #170 on: December 11, 2012, 11:58:07 PM »
Hey! I think I've just discovered what's going on with Ilford!

When you use all the letters in ilford, you can make the word florid :)

Florid
Adjective

    Having a red or flushed complexion: "a stout man with a florid face".
    Elaborately or excessively intricate or complicated: "florid operatic-style music was out".

Synonyms
ornate - ruddy - flowery

Its also used to describe degree or intensity in psychosis - ”the patient was floridly psychotic”.

Not sure where you are going with this one François?

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #171 on: December 12, 2012, 08:47:30 AM »
Well, it is something related to i-l-f-o-r-d is a way...
Not that it's of any interest whatsoever... but it is something new in the sense that I don't think anyone has ever thought of it before  ;D

It's new, doesn't involve the marketing of a new product, can be understandably a delayed announcement in a way, doesn't involve a change in logo, doesn't involve a new mascot, doesn't involve a new corporate acquisition, doesn't require a  countdown, is not the re-introduction of some product that was pulled, can give you points when you play anagrams...

In other words, it fits the bill perfectly  :P :P :P

Hey! It could be a nice name for a redscaled color film! Just imagine loading up with some Florid 100  :o :o :o
Well... Ok... probably not a good idea... so this one goes nowhere and does nothing... Scrabble anyone :) It's worth at least 10 points :)
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #172 on: December 13, 2012, 03:37:03 AM »
on the note on IR-film; I saw this posted at http://www.flickr.com/groups/ishootfilm/discuss/72157632227414539/

This was posted to day at APUG:


Reply From HARMAN technology Limited Re True IR Film.

Dear All,

As promised I have the feedback from HARMAN regarding requests to produce a true infra red camera film.

The internal R&D review and commercial reviews have been completed and a decision has been reached.

In relation to R&D, we have previously to 2000 produced a number of emulsion models in relation to a true IR film, whilst significant development work would be required to update those models in relation to current raw material availability since originally worked on, it would be possible to produce a film should a R&D programme be progressed.

The main negative issue is in relation to our own automated emulsion preparation systems that aid 100% batch to batch consistency, this depends on a 'minimum' make that can be coated and / or stored dependant on coated volumes. With an IR film this process control system could not be used as immediate coating is required for an IR emulsion to control levels of base fog which are critical.

Therefore coated volumes produced would be uneconomical against the investment required, in relation to the size of the worldwide market, even allowing for our ability to coat 'small' volumes.

Secondary, to have any hope of reaching a commercially viable coated volume it would also mean that the EXTENDED Red film ILFORD SFX would need to be withdrawn if a true IR film was to be embarked upon. This would go against our stated market position where NO ILFORD Photo product in relation to our monochrome ranges will be withdrawn. ILFORD SFX has a very loyal following, and has unique attributes in relation to architectural photography that cannot be replicated with a full IR film.

The management of HARMAN technology Limited have therefore decided NOT to progress with a true IR film at this time. Our extended red film SFX film in 35mm and 120 roll film will obviously remain in full manufacture and availability.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology LImited
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #173 on: December 13, 2012, 03:58:35 AM »
interesting? Yes, Jonas.  Exciting? No, Jonas.


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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #174 on: December 13, 2012, 04:09:06 AM »
after reading that . . .
it is a pity they are not going to do a true IR film

but this is very interesting . . .

our stated market position where NO ILFORD Photo product in relation to our monochrome ranges will be withdrawn.


this opens another question and a bit off topic . . .

should we be supporting ILFORD more? as the other major players in the market
have been cutting back on their film ranges.
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #175 on: December 13, 2012, 05:10:42 AM »
should we be supporting ILFORD more? as the other major players in the market
have been cutting back on their film ranges.

Yes Yes yes!

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #176 on: December 13, 2012, 05:32:29 AM »
"This would go against our stated market position where NO ILFORD Photo product in relation to our monochrome ranges will be withdrawn."

No, not "exciting," but the most encouraging film-related statement I have read in a long time. Shoot more Ilford film!

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #177 on: December 13, 2012, 05:35:55 AM »

our stated market position where NO ILFORD Photo product in relation to our monochrome ranges will be withdrawn.


in times like these, that's the exciting part if you ask me :) GO ILFORD!!!
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« Reply #178 on: December 13, 2012, 06:22:41 AM »
Although I've been considering Acros as the slow(ish) film I intend to use "exclusively" from 2013 onwards, I'm really encouraged by Ilford's approach and I will be supporting the "home team" for all my B&W work - so long as I can get their film in the format needed (35mm and/or 120).

Well done Ilford. Just a pity they don't have an equivalent of Portra 400 or it'd be a clean sweep.
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #179 on: December 13, 2012, 06:37:44 AM »
Yes, that's very encouraging. Especially as they serve the low end market in 35mm with their Kentmere emulsions, too! At least on this side of the pond there's no cheaper ISO 400 to be had. And the ISO 100 isn't that much more expensive than Agfa APX 100. So I will go the "low end" route and buy exclusively Kentmere. Now 120 is a different story ...

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #180 on: December 13, 2012, 07:12:09 AM »
Does anyone know how architectural photography benefits from using SFX? I'm intrigued. :)

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« Reply #181 on: December 13, 2012, 08:57:14 AM »
Architectural would be great on SFX!
To get an idea of how great it would be, just check out Julius Shulman's outdoor shots. Many of them were shot using infrared. SFX would be a bit similar, but only softer as it is not a full IR film.

Actually, since we dream out loud on this thread, what I'd really love to see is a color film based on the old autochrome process that could give color images when processed in B&W chemicals. This would be a revolutionary process in a way. It would give a one of a kind look that is totally impossible to reproduce. They could do it by making a colored base that contains the RGB colors spread in a stocaistic pattern and coat the film in reverse like redscaled film. This would filter the incoming light making the silver react differently with each spot of permanent dye. It's a bit like the tri-chrome process but with only one film.
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« Reply #182 on: December 13, 2012, 10:06:44 AM »
francois, thats sounds fantastic !
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #183 on: December 13, 2012, 10:32:46 AM »

this opens another question and a bit off topic . . .

should we be supporting ILFORD more? as the other major players in the market
have been cutting back on their film ranges.
Just like anything else I'd suggest supporting Ilford if they provide you with a reason too; in my view they seem to have a "corporate culture" that is committed to film as a medium (and seem to be able to operate a viable business based on that) and a wide range of excellent products at fair prices so I do support them (by buying those products and recommending them to others).


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« Reply #184 on: December 13, 2012, 10:42:07 AM »
Architectural would be great on SFX!
To get an idea of how great it would be, just check out Julius Shulman's outdoor shots. Many of them were shot using infrared. SFX would be a bit similar, but only softer as it is not a full IR film.

Actually, since we dream out loud on this thread, what I'd really love to see is a color film based on the old autochrome process that could give color images when processed in B&W chemicals. This would be a revolutionary process in a way. It would give a one of a kind look that is totally impossible to reproduce. They could do it by making a colored base that contains the RGB colors spread in a stocaistic pattern and coat the film in reverse like redscaled film. This would filter the incoming light making the silver react differently with each spot of permanent dye. It's a bit like the tri-chrome process but with only one film.

Even apps like instragram would have a hard time to reproduce the effects! Fantastic Francois...!!

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« Reply #185 on: December 13, 2012, 11:49:57 AM »
I call it all in a day's work.
Too bad nobody in the province seems to need what I call "technical dreamers". People who can invent stuff and roughly figure out how to do it and then let the experts take over and finish up the work.
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« Reply #186 on: December 13, 2012, 12:32:33 PM »
Technical Dreamers - perfect Francois!

seriously, have you approached anyone with your technical dreams?
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« Reply #187 on: December 13, 2012, 02:44:42 PM »
Yeah... but I keep being turned down saying I'm overqualified for the job...
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #188 on: December 18, 2012, 07:03:43 AM »
Harman roll the clock back 50 years!

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« Reply #190 on: December 18, 2012, 07:20:40 AM »
Donkey Dave, that news excites me and clears up some confusion. Since I got back into film, I have wondered why i have not yet been able to reproduce a trivial yet fun action - that of opening an ilford cassette by walloping it and having the lid go sproinging off into the darkness. And here I was just thinking i had lost my groove.

I hate having to find the danged can opener!!! Please Ilford, gimme back those awesome canisters. Comments as to the criteria I value in film welcome but not required ;-p
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« Reply #191 on: December 18, 2012, 08:18:31 AM »
you use can openers? I usually just peel back the felt and open the canister like a sardine can, no need for tools. Just manhandle the canister open.

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« Reply #192 on: December 18, 2012, 08:30:47 AM »
Haha tintin that sounds worse than a can opener ;)

I want my "whap it against the table and the end flies off" canisters back!! It was as satisfying as pounding a beer bottle lid off with the corner of a rusty piece of farm machinery (rolls eyes at self).
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« Reply #193 on: December 18, 2012, 08:33:43 AM »
I just use a bottle opener. When you have a good one, you just hook and pry. Takes a few seconds and it works very well.
Mine has a magnet on the back so I can stick it to my squeegee board for easy retrieval.

Now I must say I'd love to have an old Kodak wall mounted opener...
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« Reply #194 on: December 18, 2012, 08:39:14 AM »
you use can openers? I usually just peel back the felt and open the canister like a sardine can, no need for tools. Just manhandle the canister open.
that's the way! easier than any can opener I've tried :P

anyhow, this sounds positive! I hope they make them easier to open :)
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« Reply #195 on: December 20, 2012, 12:03:46 PM »
Architectural would be great on SFX!
To get an idea of how great it would be, just check out Julius Shulman's outdoor shots. Many of them were shot using infrared. SFX would be a bit similar, but only softer as it is not a full IR film.

Actually, since we dream out loud on this thread, what I'd really love to see is a color film based on the old autochrome process that could give color images when processed in B&W chemicals. This would be a revolutionary process in a way. It would give a one of a kind look that is totally impossible to reproduce. They could do it by making a colored base that contains the RGB colors spread in a stocaistic pattern and coat the film in reverse like redscaled film. This would filter the incoming light making the silver react differently with each spot of permanent dye. It's a bit like the tri-chrome process but with only one film.

So, I have been thinking about this since like June, but life has conspired to keep me too busy.  This is not something we need ilford for, I don't think.  Can't we create a stochastic pattern of RGB dots in photoshop, print it on a transparency, and shoot the bw negative through it like what the original process used dyed flour grains for? Since we could pack the dots together and not leave any white space, the lampblack would not be necessary and it would be much more viewable,  and as long as we kept everything in register it seems pretty doable!  I don't know there's probably a lot I haven't thought of, but someone who isn't me should try this.  Or I should... eventually :(

edit-  Plus I feel like this is one of the places doing it yourself would be much better, since you could set your own color space on a per-sheet basis.
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« Reply #196 on: December 20, 2012, 02:51:45 PM »
Well... I passed the idea on to Ilford and this is the reply I got
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Dear Francois,
Our Technical people believe that the costs involved would not make it viable to progress this product suggestion.

Regards,
Graham

Guess it's a no go on this one... bummer.
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #197 on: December 20, 2012, 03:13:24 PM »
On the other hand they are actually answering!

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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD
« Reply #198 on: December 20, 2012, 04:32:54 PM »
Good point there.

At least, we know that they do listen to what their users have to say. Something which isn't very common nowadays
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Re: There is something exciting going on at ILFORD - UPDATE 30.01.13
« Reply #199 on: January 30, 2013, 08:31:09 AM »
Just a bump, and to say this is still bubbling away in the background - expect an announcement to coincide with Focus on Imaging in March.

that's it - I can say no more :-X